Will Peyton Be the Next Marino?

[J-Red]

How many Superbowls did John lose before he won the big one?

None remember? And he was 9 feet tall with fire shooting from his anus.

[Southstander]

Do you honestly think i care about what you think is more convincing?

Marino > Elway
Montana > Elway
Elway > Anyone not named Montana/Marino

You still have not told us WHY you think that. Is it because you can't back it up logicly

[Skywalker]

Bears will kill Colts, so yes.

And why do you think the Bears will kill the Colts?


Indy's defense is playing so well right now, if the Bears manage (though I doubt they will) to keep Peyton, Harrison, and Wayne in check they'll still have a chance. Grossman is one of the worst starters in the league.

The Bears will not kill the Colts. The Colts defense have actually been playing better than the Bears' in the playoffs. I say Colts win a close one.

[RealBronco]

How many Superbowls did John lose before he won the big one?

Well, how many Superbowls has Manning been to? I think Zero... And I think just making it 5 times and winning 2 of them puts Elway above him already. Heck, even the 3 he lost still has him ahead of Manning. At least Elway could win playoff games that mattered.

And... Manning could be the next Marino, I think the Bears have a serious shot because the Colts have no defense...but the Bears do. And the only weapon the Colts have is Manning so...

And then again, he'd have to win 5 Superbowls before he retires to become greater than the greatest quarterback every...which isn't Marino, Elway or Brady (I'll just throw him in too since he has more rings than all three combined) and that QB is Joe Montana.

So...Manning has a LONG way to go before he can even be considered in the top 5.

[RealBronco]

Do you honestly think i care about what you think is more convincing?

Marino > Elway
Montana > Elway
Elway > Anyone not named Montana/Marino

um...what. how is it even possible that Marino was better than Elway? Last time I checked, the whole goal of any player playing in the NFL is to win Superbowls...and Marino was never able to do that, and only made it to one.

And second, Elway had better stats than Marino and the only reason he has more wins total is because he stayed in longer...it took him longer to even tie Elway.

I do agree that Montana was better than Elway...Montana is the greatest. He's won the most Superbowls out of any one of them. But I already pointed this out.

The bottom line is that Manning will likely end up mirroring Marino and choking continually when it matters, or he'll end up like Favre, win one and lose one or more than that. The Colts simply aren't good enough and never will be. The only shot they have is playing a weak NFC team in the Superbowl....which, this time doesn't seem like the case.

[str8jacket]

John Elway (Career)
GP ATT CMP PCT YDS YPA TD INT SKD SKY RAT
234 7250 4123 56.9 51475 7.10 300 226 516 3785 79.9

Dan Marino (Career)
GP ATT CMP PCT YDS YPA TD INT SKD SKY RAT
242 8358 4967 59.4 61343 7.34 420 252 271 1940 86.4

Joe Montana (Career)
GP ATT CMP PCT YDS YPA TD INT SKD SKY RAT
192 5391 3409 63.2 40551 7.52 273 139 313 2095 92.3

the stats speak for themselves in my opinion......and the tables sucked when i copied them, so i provided links

[str8jacket]

You still have not told us WHY you think that. Is it because you can't back it up logicly

Post #36

Done Flip Flopping yet South?

[str8jacket]

um...what. how is it even possible that Marino was better than Elway? Last time I checked, the whole goal of any player playing in the NFL is to win Superbowls...and Marino was never able to do that, and only made it to one.

And second, Elway had better stats than Marino and the only reason he has more wins total is because he stayed in longer...it took him longer to even tie Elway.

I do agree that Montana was better than Elway...Montana is the greatest. He's won the most Superbowls out of any one of them. But I already pointed this out.

The bottom line is that Manning will likely end up mirroring Marino and choking continually when it matters, or he'll end up like Favre, win one and lose one or more than that. The Colts simply aren't good enough and never will be. The only shot they have is playing a weak NFC team in the Superbowl....which, this time doesn't seem like the case.

On the case of Manning, he didnt choke last year, Vanderjerk did, that would have been his, and he sure didnt look like he was choking tonight

Im talking in a pure stat standpoint mainly because Championships are won by teams

[str8jacket]

You still have not told us WHY you think that. Is it because you can't back it up logicly

Also, just making sure you read this big guy

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showpost.php?p=1551052&postcount=27

[str8jacket]

Well guys, i have to get some sleep

I will continue this very challenging (sarcasm) argument tommorow with you, and PLEASE come up with some better stuff before i come back

:wave: peace out

[Southstander]

Also, just making sure you read this big guy
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...2&postcount=27

I should have said RINGS ALONE, don't define a career. Look back at my posts, I said I look at the TOTAL picutre.


And to your post above, you are right, this is not challenging fight, I'm mopping the floor with you.

[RealBronco]

John Elway (Career)
GP ATT CMP PCT YDS YPA TD INT SKD SKY RAT
234 7250 4123 56.9 51475 7.10 300 226 516 3785 79.9

Dan Marino (Career)
GP ATT CMP PCT YDS YPA TD INT SKD SKY RAT
242 8358 4967 59.4 61343 7.34 420 252 271 1940 86.4

Joe Montana (Career)
GP ATT CMP PCT YDS YPA TD INT SKD SKY RAT
192 5391 3409 63.2 40551 7.52 273 139 313 2095 92.3

the stats speak for themselves in my opinion......and the tables sucked when i copied them, so i provided links

I shuld have said RINGS ALONE, don't define a career. Look back at my posts, I said I look at the TOTAL picutre.

The reality is that stats don't really mean a whole lot in the big picture. Manning has amazing stats, Favre has amazing stats, Young had amazing stats and even Plummer has promising looking stats....

the truth is that the stats you read on a sheet of paper or the back of a playing card or a web-page at year's end don't tell the whole truth about the greatness or weakness of a player.

The game itself shows that Marino was amazing, but he was never as good as Elway and Elway was never the caliber or championship winner that Montana was.

Like it or not, the players don't care about their own stats, so why should we? They only care about how many games they win and how many Superbowls they make it to and win. If that's not the point then why even play the game? Why do the players make such a big deal out of losing or not making the playoffs or not winning the Conference Championship games....why? because they all know that the only game that really defines their careers is that on big one played at the end of the year.

So don't come at us with stats, because even your stats tell me that Marino didn't come close to Elway. And if you want to argue stats, then many say the only stat that matters is the one in the 'W' column and according to your stats Elway is the greatest (and you can do the math on that taking into account the number of games played by each QB)....but we all know Montana stands alone.

[Southstander]

The great thing is, we will never get each other to change the other persons mind.

[Lorcust]

Didn't he say (and I as well), that Manning will eventually become the greatest QB ever?

Well I said he could become....

Does that mean he is now?

No... of course not. Far be it from anyone to judge an unfinished career with those of HOFers.

Manning is not done yet. We do not know how many SBs he will win or lose, so using that as a measuring stick, or most wins by someone who has played more games, isn't too accurate.

Hell if Farve comes back next year he'll overtake the TD and most wins record, does that make him the best ever with 2 SBs (1-1)?

Circle arguement, IMO, I just wanted to add a few things.

[omac]

I decided not to vote, because I thought the question was conflicting in itself; will he be the next Marino, and will he lose the superbowl. If Marino had a better team, like Elway did with Shanahan, he might've had his superbowl ring. Montana may be the greatest ever, but that 49er team was also packed with talent, and had one of the greatest, most revolutionary coaches ever.

On the ongoing debate on Manning being/becoming the greatest ever ... He gets mass yardage like Marino; he's efficient and makes great, quick decisions like Montana; can bring his team back from a deficit, like Elway, and like him has a great arm; and he owns the no-huddle offense, like Jim Kelly. He's been the most dominating prescense in the league for some years now. I don't know about his career, as anything can happen like with Terrel Davis, but at present, his best performances can be compared to the greats at their best.

I haven't seen him choke even in losses, so I don't expect to see that in the superbowl either. What's great is, the defense and everybody knows he's gonna pass the ball, but eventually, they can't stop him.