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    Addiction - the Substance Use Kind

    Hi everyone,

    I am interested in hearing about what people think about substance abuse recovery. I am a Ph.D. student who studies recovery homes for individuals in recovery. Recently, there was an HBO special that had some interesting points about addiction as it relates to the impact of substance use on the brain as well as some good short term treatments. I was dissatisfied with their attention to mutual-help groups like AA/NA and their impact on recovery - they spent very little time, and it is in fact one of the most important predictors of long-term outcome for individuals in recovery.

    There is a lot of research that is emerging that posits that long-term recovery has a lot more to do with the social environment (abstinence support, peer-networks, etc) than the short term alternatives (drugs to reduce cravings). Some recovery homes out there are built just as money-makers where people even continue to use within the home. I have been researching a different model of treatment that has people self-govern themselves (as a group, sort of like 24-hour AA) in recovery, and they tend to do a lot better (70% abstinent at 2 years rather than 35% in standard treatment). If anyone is interested in learning more about it, feel free to PM me and I can send some information/articles.

    But, the main purpose of this post is to elicit people's attitudes about addiction. How to people view substance abuse in general? What do people think of abstinence-only models versus harm reduction models? What are important things to study when considering addictive behaviors?

    I'd like to focus on substance use here, but other addictive behaviors (gambling, sex, etc.) are welcome if people want to contribute insights and opinions.

    I hope we can get a good discussion going!
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    I am surprised that no one wants to talk about this. well...maybe another time or another crowd...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MN-Broncofreak
    I am surprised that no one wants to talk about this. well...maybe another time or another crowd...
    I'm just confused about what you want to know.

    Are you asking on what we believe are the effects of substance abuse on organs? (wrong crowd then ).

    Are you asking if we have had experience with abuse with ourselves or people close to us?

    Or something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CinnaMunMun
    I'm just confused about what you want to know.

    Are you asking on what we believe are the effects of substance abuse on organs? (wrong crowd then ).

    Are you asking if we have had experience with abuse with ourselves or people close to us?

    Or something else?
    Just asking about attitudes towards it, and what folks think works as a treatment setting. I don't know a lot about organs either...
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    How about condensed like this. I apologize if that was too long of a post, but these are the thing I wanted to heard peoples' thoughts about...

    Quote Originally Posted by MN-Broncofreak

    But, the main purpose of this post is to elicit people's attitudes about addiction. How to people view substance abuse in general? What do people think of abstinence-only models versus harm reduction models? What are important things to study when considering addictive behaviors?
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    I have been sober for nine years.

    care to guess my thoughts on addiction?


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    I am not proud to addmit it but i am a recovering alcoholic. to me this is a broad subject. and wouldnt even know where to begin. nor do i think i am overly informed on the subject.
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    I think substance abuse is a problem much bigger then anyone is willing to admit. I think our medical system is not adequately trained to deal with substance abuse as a medical disease and I think our system does not spend enough money treating/preventing it. I do not think our doctors are adequately trained and not even trained to send people that need help to specialists or groups. The problem is too many people see it as a personal weakness and not a disease that the person with the addiction cannot help.

    Overall I think this post says it all. This is a problem that no one realizes exists the way it does, and yet 50% of us have a 1st degree relative (parent, sibling, etc) that has an addiction. to HBO and you for studying this and hopefully you can help to bring this problem out so that more people know the truth behind this terrible disease
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broncosinindy
    I am not proud to addmit it but i am a recovering alcoholic. to me this is a broad subject. and wouldnt even know where to begin. nor do i think i am overly informed on the subject.
    I don't mean to be insensitive. I like to hear about personal experiences, but I also want to hear about what people think about what kinds of treatment work. Is it AA? Is it antabuse or other drugs that help reduce cravings? Do people think addiction is an indiviual thing (a choice) or a more complex thing that happens?

    Thanks for opening up, I appreciate people talking about their experiences- thats how everyone learns
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    Personally I think everyone is different, but from what I understand AA is a great program. What other program can you think of that has been effective for something like 80 years? I agree that the HBO special needed to give more time to such programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by classicarluvr
    Personally I think everyone is different, but from what I understand AA is a great program. What other program can you think of that has been effective for something like 80 years? I agree that the HBO special needed to give more time to such programs.
    Thanks for that comment. I agree with it- more time should be given to the programs that keep people sober, and not the ones that make them stay sober in the short term.

    Addiction has made a big impact on my life, and I am determined to help those who are in bad circumstances. The problem with the disease model of addiction is that it writes people off and says they can't do anything. I think they can and will if they receive some support (from God or a group of people) if they can get directed that way.

    Respect to all- because there are some out there that think that addiction is a personal choice. Not happy with you all, but respect your right to your opinion.

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    I think the disease model acually empowers people more. I think by calling it a disease it allows people to realize that they are not alone and can seek treatment and help from various places. I think it doesn't seem so hopeless to stop the addiction. That is just my opinion on the matter though, I guess I just prefer it to the thoughts that people have a weakness.
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    I believe a self-governed and self funded program like AA is the best possible treatment program available. The people who truly wants to quit their personal addictions have more insights to the addiction. Thus have a better plan of attack against it. Peer pressure works 2 ways either for or against. This is what a self governed body like AA is good for.

    A person must recognize they have an addiction. Second they must want to overcome it. Third you must surround yourself with others of a like mind. The rest will follow suit. An addiction may not be something you can completely overcome but with time it may be easier to abstain.

    Trading one drug for another does not sound like a good way to go. Hence my objection to any clinical option available.

    Personally I have no problem with people who have an addiction. It is not a sign of weakness to me.
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    Both my parents were alcoholics and my husband is a recovering alcoholic. Things that helped my husband: change of influences--friends, hang-outs and a strong wife. He never felt comfortable with AA or other programs.

    I have a problem with calling addiction a disease. It's the only 'disease' you can go to the store and buy.

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    Broncosinindy, you should be proud to say that you are a recovering alcoholic.

    I'm very proud of you both.
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    I am straightedge, so I havn't ever tasted beer, let alone tried drugs.

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