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    Quote Originally Posted by stnzed
    You say in one sentence that Rivers had to adjust to his centers low stance....And in the next tell Cutlerfan that he's wrong for thinking Cutler's centers low stance is taking some adjustment on his part?

    I think either I'm missing CF's point or ya'll are missing his point.

    Again, I'm not saying he's right, I'm saying he has a valid point.

    How many of us here can honestly say they're a freaking QB coach? Spare me! My dad was an airline mechanic, you want me working on your plane?......

    Man that was funny!

    I actually laughed out loud. CP to you for making my night and also saving me some typing. I figure there is no need in repeating what has already been said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutlerfan
    Look how low Cutler has to go. His legs are almost 90 degrees! The Normal stance should be at 45 degrees. How good could you grab the ball at 1 foot off the ground. You then have to back peddle at 90 degree's how fun is that! You then need to go to 45 degree's or higher and not hit the centers butt and fumble. I will give Jake Plummer credit. He did a lot better job at getting the snap.

    Look at Vince Young and Tony Rono Below they both are at the normal 45 degree!






    Well isnt he suppose to the second coming of ELWAY???? Elways took snaps from this very same center .
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    good lord

    How in the world does anyone get out of that without falling on their backside every snap? Good post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutlerfan
    Look how low Cutler has to go. His legs are almost 90 degrees! The Normal stance should be at 45 degrees. How good could you grab the ball at 1 foot off the ground. You then have to back peddle at 90 degree's how fun is that! You then need to go to 45 degree's or higher and not hit the centers butt and fumble. I will give Jake Plummer credit. He did a lot better job at getting the snap.

    Look at Vince Young and Tony Rono Below they both are at the normal 45 degree!






    well.. as a former QB in HS and in college, I can't help but disagree with you. The stance doesn't have anything to do with the exchange with the center. That has everything to do with timing and riding the center up. It takes hundreds upon hundreds of snaps to where it becomes second nature with any particular center. Sometimes a particular play requires you or the center to take a different step.. one to fake, or to get out of the way of a pulling guard. Perhaps the center has to slide over or pull.... its these cases that cause most fumbles at the exchange. Sometimes when the QB makes an audible, he's makign the call and concentrating on the reads and the call, forgetting that this forces the OL shift... or perhaps when the audible is signaled, the snap count changes.

    The bend of the knees doesn't have anything to do with the exchange, and you can't have Nalen 'raise' his butt higher .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighStud
    Well isnt he suppose to the second coming of ELWAY???? Elways took snaps from this very same center .

    He didn't say he couldn't take the snap! But as anyone who actually looks at the photo can see Nalan is LOWER then most. It would take some getting use to. He can learn to do it but along the way it could have posed a problem that contributed to the fumbles.

    Beings the Jake vs Jay debate didn't turn out in your favor are you trying to start a Jay vs John debate figuring the out come might be more favorable to you?

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    if anyone has watched a chargers game last year then they would have seen rivers does the same thing.. but that is cause rivers is 6'5. And i didnt relize this cutler is a big guy.. i mean rivers is 6'5 225 and he doesnt look small but cutler is 2 inches shorter and weighs 10 more Lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by DenBronx
    cutler fan you make a pretty valid case. i was thinking the same thing even when plummer was around but plummer seemed to do ok with the way it was.

    cutler on the other hand is a bigger QB. and i dont buy for a sec that it is easier to back pedal from a 90 degree stance versus a 45 degree stance. thats just plain stoooooped!

    fact is though, you cant teach an old dog new tricks. well some times it can be done but in nalens case it will never happen. he has like 1, 2 or 3 years left and then he is done. might as well stick with what you are used to if you are nearing the end is what i say.

    when nalen leaves cutler might voice his opinion to the new center and hopefully they gel together really well.

    but yeah that does look awfully low for ANY qb. unless your name is doug flutie!

    cp to ya cutlerfan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnedator
    And, I am sure practice, practice, practice will take care of it this offseason with Cutler.

    Plus, wasn't it Cutlerfan that said that he fumbled his snap in his last three college games or something like that? I just remembered that. I thought the last theory was that he lost confidence in taking the snap, and it took him a while to settle down, or something like that.

    I did not say that he fumbled in his last three college games.

    I also want to state that this is not an exact science. I am just throwing out a Hypothesis here. I could be wrong.

    Plus there could be other factors.

    This could be just one of the reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B4Bronco16
    I also remember John Madden saying that Nalen had a huge thrust type snap that is very strong.

    That could also be a problem for Jay.

    I can see how a low stance can help a lineman because when they thrust forward but when you have to go back as a qb it is hard at that angle. I bet Joe Nameth with his bad knees did not go that low. Or Marino.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stnzed
    Ya'll need to get the dudes case, Nalens a$$ is no more than a foot and a half off the ground.

    The rest of these centers a$$'s are all way more off the ground than that.

    This is still no excuse, Cutler should have adjusted by the time he took the field against the Seahawks. But Cutlerfan does have a good point.

    Nalens stance is way lower!

    Imo, ya'll should get off the Cutlerfans case....
    Thank you! You seem to understand what I am talking about.

    Again - I state this is not the 'only' factor I am just saying it could be one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnedator
    Look at my post above yours, where I quote Vandyman, every bit as big a Jay fan as Cutlerfan, and he says he had the same problem the last three games in college. Nalen wasn't his center, so I think we can rule out the center being the problem.
    I am not trying to give Cutler a 'get out of jail free card' I am just stating that Nalen's low stance could be a factor.

    A lot of QB's have center/qb exchange problems. Even at Vandy he did not fumble like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcdavey
    he's wrong because he implies it's the reason for cutler's fumbling, when everyone knows the problem is lack of practice/ or just a qb who lacks concentration....my vote is more practice, not stupid qb

    No. I am not saying this is the 'only' reason. I am saying it 'could' be a factor to the fumbles. That is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnedator
    I don't believe I ridiculed CutlerFan. If I did so, it wasn't intentional. While he clearly is a Cutler fan, he brings a ton to this forum.

    First game jitters, I can see, but as you say, regardless of whether Nalen is low, it should have been worked out. Regardless of 'why' the fumbles happened, I will be very surprised if they are a problem this year.
    I did not take it as ridicule. This is just an opinion. I am not trying to defend Cutler completely. I am just stating that Nalen's stance is really low and when Jay pulls out with the ball he 'could' hit Nalen causing the fumble.

    This is all speculation and I could be dead wrong but from playing QB in college this has happened to me.

    This topic is just ‘food for thought’.

    Thanks for everyone’s feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianOrange
    I would say his height is tall...but didn't think Nalen sits that low.
    I don't recall John, Brian, or Plummer ever having to ge that low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutlerfan
    I did not take it as ridicule. This is just an opinion. I am not trying to defend Cutler completely. I am just stating that Nalen's stance is really low and when Jay pulls out with the ball he 'could' hit Nalen causing the fumble.

    This is all speculation and I could be dead wrong but from playing QB in college this has happened to me.

    This topic is just ‘food for thought’.

    Thanks for everyone’s feedback.

    Godspeed Cutler and Denver Broncos!
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