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    Quote Originally Posted by underrated29 View Post
    i am going to get flamed big time for this, but i dont really like kircus, he is fast and an underdog, and i like rooting for those, but he drops to many passes. we need hands, we got plenty of speed, and route runners, and imo need a reliable set of hands, that wont drop any passes.

    i do like nate jax, and would like to see him play, but imo alexander is the better player for our team.

    i have always liked shoate, and am gald he is performing, but how much depth do we need there? dr,chmp,dom,pay i suppose one more, but i couldnt tell ya who it should be.

    i really like terrell,a s all know, and i would love for him not to be cut, but i dont see it happening. so i agree there.
    Nah my flame thrower has been put away. I disagree with you I don't think last season that he had problems holding onto the ball. I can only think of a couple of instances where he dropped the ball but I if remember correctly that was prior to Culter becoming the starter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco_Rob View Post
    Shoate is playing at a higher level than in previous seasons too...

    and as for Nate Jackson, he is vastly outperforming Alexander, mark my words, Alexander will be cut and Jackson will stay. Can Alexander play wide receiver? The simple answer is no, Jackson is the better player with the better value. We have blocking tight ends, Alexander serves no purpose.
    Nate Jackson couldn't really play WR either, that's why he was moved to TE. Too hopefully bulk up and be a threat like Sharpe. Unfortunately it hasn't worked out for him their either.

    Alexander has experience and leadership out on the field. Jackson has neither, and has absolutely no value whatsoever.

    Who's our blocking TE's? Graham and.....? Scheffler is primarily a recieving TE. We coiuld use another good blocking TE, and that's where Alexander fits in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBRONC View Post
    In don't know Stnzed, roster spots are highly prized commodity. I don't think any head coach is going to keep a guy around just because he kisses up spots on the roster are just to valuable.

    Twice in his four years with the team he's been injured and missed majority of two seasons. And they moved him from being a wide receiver to tight end, that's a big switch.

    Also Keith Burns made a career of being a Special Teamer very rarely did he ever get onto the field as linebacker.

    Hey that's not really fair to compare Nate with Eddie Haskell from "Leave It To Beaver".

    Nasty Nate Haskell!

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    Guys to cut:

    Nate Jackson - A lot of folks seem to like him and yes, I know he seems to catch everything in practice. He should, he's a converted WR. Is he good enough to play over Graham, Scheffler, or Alexander? No. Is he a good enough blocker or big enough to play in 3 TE goalline sets where we really struggle (ala Mustard)? No. Really, he's just another Jeb Putzier. Too slow to play WR and not big enough to play TE, but he's got good hands. It's okay to have a few specialists, Dumervil for example, who aren't every down players but keeping a fourth string TE around that will never see the field except on STs (where he isn't exactly a "standout" either) is a waste of roster space. We already have big money tied up in TE (Graham, 2nd round pick in Scheffler, and Alexander is making starting money) and I don't see the need to eat up a roster spot with a guy who will not play. I really hate to say it, but I'd rather keep 6-7 WRs (especially due to injury concerns as of late) and keep a spot open for Rod's return than carry 5 TEs (only two of which will actually lineup during a game, and the third is our longsnapper) for no reason. The question is - how does Nate Jackson help this team win? If you answer - "I dunno" then he needs to be gone.

    Stephen Alexander - Like Nate Jackson, he's not one of the top two guys on the team. His play will be limited and as a seasoned vet, I doubt he'll even play STs. As the #3 TE at best, he's not really looked at as a receiving option and Mustard (who is much cheaper) appears to be a better 3rd TE in short yardage blocking situations. He's expendable. Once again, more WRs & less TEs is the way to go this year where we'll be running more 3 WR sets (like Indy), IMO.

    Kenard Lang - I doubt he's really worth a ton in trade but it would be nice to get something for him. I like Kenard as a person, but I think we've decided to get younger at DE and he's the old man of the group. He's not as good overall as Ekuban, not as good against the run as Engelberger, not as good a passrush specialist as Dumervil, and we surely won't be cutting Moss or Crowder to make room for him. He's probably gone, but not until final cuts.

    Kenny Peterson - I don't know why we even brought him back. Missing the 1st four games of the season anyway. Odd man out.

    McKinley/Gordon - We'll probably keep 5 DTs on the final roster with one being inactive on a week-to-week basis. Adams, Warren, Kennedy, and Thomas are locks. That leaves one spot left whoever plays better in the preseason.

    Jeff Shoate - I'm glad to hear he's playing better, but he's not going to beat out Foxy or Paymah and isn't as versatile as Cox who can play both CB and Safety and is good on STs.

    OL/LB - I can't make an educated opinion here because both units are knicked up right now so depth is very important.

    Preston Parsons - For obvious reasons. We'll keep two QBs and I think Hackney's strong arm and scrambling ability give him the edge if we keep 3.

    Safety - Who knows? Once again, when Lynch sat out practice on Friday, who filled in? Foxy. Not a true Safety, our #3 CB. This once again lessens my hope that Abdullah (who I realize also didn't practice due to being knicked up), Cox, Cargile, etc are really the depth we're looking for at Safety. At 5'11" and 180 lbs soaking wet, Foxy isn't the guy you want out there at Safety, especially against the run and yet it doesn't seem like we have a whole lot of options. This is the position that worries me the most. I still think we need another guy here before the start of the regular season.

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    i dont think alexander will be cut.

    shanny wants to make sure on our run plays that he has the nessacery blockers in place, esp. for 3rd and short/goaline.

    so putting in grahm,alexander- makes sense to me.

    or for play action, because if we put the mustard in, we probably arent going to pass it we will run, but if we do 3te set, playaction, the d has no idea what we do, probably run...nope pa boot 90 yards to javon.

    or something like that.

    does anyone know, do we have a backup to elam? a real one i mean and not rod smith or whoever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stnzed View Post
    Nasty Nate Haskell!
    I guess it wouldn't do any good to ask you to be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stnzed View Post
    Which makes me wonder: Why? How long has he been in Denver? I've seen every game, yet I can only remember one stinking catch he's made. And that's only because Adrian Wilson knocked him clear under the bench's of the Broncos sideline.
    .....
    I don't know why. He's done nothing but waste alary cap and roster spots for the last few years.

    How many chances does a guy get for crying out loud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silkamilkamonic View Post
    I don't know why. He's done nothing but waste alary cap and roster spots for the last few years.

    How many chances does a guy get for crying out loud?
    A player that doesn't get a lot of time on field isn't necessarily a bad player. If Lepsis had not gone down Pears wouldn't have seen any action. Myers has been out on the field very little of the past three seasons. How many times did Burns see action in his career? He very rarely was on the field accept for Special Teams duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBRONC View Post
    A player that doesn't get a lot of time on field isn't necessarily a bad player. If Lepsis had not gone down Pears wouldn't have seen any action. Myers has been out on the field very little of the past three seasons. How many times did Burns see action in his career? He very rarely was on the field accept for Special Teams duty.
    At least Burns was out on the field contributing. He was also special teams captain.

    In 4 seasons at Denver, Nate Jackson has a whopping 26 games, and 13 catches for 122 yards.

    Yes, it's good to have players for a couple seasons that are there other than actually contributing on the field. But good grief, when is enough, enough? The guy isn't going to do anything in the NFL. I'm assuming, but I believe it's a safe assumption in Jackson's case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco_Rob View Post

    Stephen Alexander
    He's not one of the best blocking TEs in the league but he's not a top tier blocking TE by any means. In fact he's turned into a bit of a nowhere man, I'm guessing he was asked by his former teams to develop into a blocking TE when he's been a receiving TE in the past. And his pass catching skills seem to have gone down the sh***er. So really, I think he's expendable.

    Paul Smith- Haven't heard much out of him and he hasn't done anything of note.
    He's a special teams ace. I think the coaches are tired of our special teams being so inept...and also they probably feel sorry for Mike Leach as most of the time he's the only one downfield in coverage. I love Mike, he's one of my favourite players.

    Nate Jackson- I was on the fence about him but after seeing camp I've decided that Stephen Alexander should go, not Nate.
    The guy doesn't seem to make too much noise, it's a strange one. But he's always done enough in camp. We'll see though, he's definitely been a long term project. Getting our money's worth for a 6th rounder...

    David Kircus- I know he is a bit inconsistent but let's give the guy one more shot, he makes enough plays that he can't be ignored.
    The guy runs routes pretty well, he's shifty and when he's on a roll he can catch. I just hope he improves and breaks into consistency sooner rather than later and doesn't turn into another Watts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by silkamilkamonic View Post
    Kirus is irrelevant anyways. He's basically fighting for the #5 WR spot.

    Nate Jackson should be cut. In fact, Nate Jackson probably should have been cut 2 years ago. Alexander should be our #3 TE.

    Shoate. I don't know, Denver has had his rights for 3 or 4 years now and he's yet to play in a game. I think Denver should just cut him and be done with it.
    Some people take longer to come around to the pro game. and if a player comes around and can fill in and possibly be better then a fringe player you dont cut him becasue he has done nothing up to that point. it is being suggested that he could beat out paymah
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    Quote Originally Posted by silkamilkamonic View Post
    At least Burns was out on the field contributing. He was also special teams captain.

    In 4 seasons at Denver, Nate Jackson has a whopping 26 games, and 13 catches for 122 yards.

    Yes, it's good to have players for a couple seasons that are there other than actually contributing on the field. But good grief, when is enough, enough? The guy isn't going to do anything in the NFL. I'm assuming, but I believe it's a safe assumption in Jackson's case.
    Nate Jackson also plays on Specials Teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBRONC View Post
    Nate Jackson also plays on Specials Teams.
    He must not be very productive on it, considering he's never played an entire 16 game season, and his game totals in 4 seasons are 1, 12, 2, 11. He has had 13 career tackles in his 26 games.

    I just think, at this point with Graham, he will never ever be more then a #3 TE, if that. He's not going to beat Scheffler out.

    IMHO, that's a lot of question marks on a player who will likely never start, when Denver could choose to go in another direction in a more needed position.

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