Game of Thrones

[broncos SB2010]

I didn't do anything to my tv. I liked the way it looked and fealt

[dipablo]

i really liked the scene where Arya jumps out of nowhere with her dagger and you don't see her coming until her face comes into view.., I thought that was brilliant shooting.

You mean how she LITERALLY jumped out of nowhere? how did she get that high where did she come from? how did she get out of a barricaded room? how did she get past the dead when she had a tough time of it in the library? how did she get past the WW? how did the NK not sense her until the last second when he IMMEDIATELY sensed Jon on the battlefield?

All sorts of fail in my eyes...

[RobertR]

Stop misdirecting. It's not a fact that "the director made the showrunner's script visible to the audience" when there's a multitude of complaints (fact), causing it to make the news (fact) and to see it requires good equipment (fact) and major adjustments (fact).

The fact that many people DID see the shadow detail means it is THERE. Therefore, it is NOT an error.

No it's an evidential and logical conclusion to the facts above.

Nope. Other people saw the detail, and enjoyed the episode. You're doing the equivalent of declaring a wine objectively bad because you don't taste what others do.

[EddieMac]

You mean how she LITERALLY jumped out of nowhere? how did she get that high where did she come from? how did she get out of a barricaded room? how did she get past the dead when she had a tough time of it in the library? how did she get past the WW? how did the NK not sense her until the last second when he IMMEDIATELY sensed Jon on the battlefield?

All sorts of fail in my eyes...

To be fair about the Jon part.. he was running at him... as for the rest I agree..

And I liked the episode.. it was dark...but I was on my iPad and streaming,, so I thought it was a combination of that..

There was literally no hope as soon as the horsemen vanished.. right until aria jumped out.. they were getting slaughtered.

I liked that...

[broncos SB2010]

You mean how she LITERALLY jumped out of nowhere? how did she get that high where did she come from? how did she get out of a barricaded room? how did she get past the dead when she had a tough time of it in the library? how did she get past the WW? how did the NK not sense her until the last second when he IMMEDIATELY sensed Jon on the battlefield?

All sorts of fail in my eyes...

The answer to all of your questions...she is one of the Faceless Men....The whisper of air moving the hair on one of the NK lieutenants right before the attack was Arya. I would also add that in the book, if it ever gets written, will go into more detail about that.

[dipablo]

The answer to all of your questions...she is one of the Faceless Men....The whisper of air moving the hair on one of the NK lieutenants right before the attack was Arya. I would also add that in the book, if it ever gets written, will go into more detail about that.

SUUUUURRREEEEE

Then why did she have such a hard time in the library? why at the beginning she was unstoppable then all of a sudden she is frightened and cant fight?

If this was because of her faceless abilities, which she never finished in the show btw, why not wear a WW face and get in close? that would have been much cooler.

If this is the way it goes down in the books im tossing mine.

[dipablo]

To be fair about the Jon part.. he was running at him... as for the rest I agree..

And I liked the episode.. it was dark...but I was on my iPad and streaming,, so I thought it was a combination of that..

There was literally no hope as soon as the horsemen vanished.. right until aria jumped out.. they were getting slaughtered.

I liked that...

Honestly dont have a big issue with the way it went down, i have some gripes as you quoted but the real issue i have is ending the AotD story arc with 3 episodes left making Cersei and Urine the big bads....ugggg so infuriating. Its really taking the wind out of my sails, ill keep watching but i really am not enthused or excited about it anymore.

[L.M.]

[broncos SB2010]

SUUUUURRREEEEE

Then why did she have such a hard time in the library? why at the beginning she was unstoppable then all of a sudden she is frightened and cant fight?

If this was because of her faceless abilities, which she never finished in the show btw, why not wear a WW face and get in close? that would have been much cooler.

If this is the way it goes down in the books im tossing mine.

She did finish the training. Right before she left after she killed the other girl, Jaqen H'ghar said...finally, you are no one, meaning she had "graduated". As far as the fights go...she needed to take a break.

[captainbronco]

The answer to all of your questions...she is one of the Faceless Men....The whisper of air moving the hair on one of the NK lieutenants right before the attack was Arya. I would also add that in the book, if it ever gets written, will go into more detail about that.

Also I've read that bran used to be able to get on top of the roofs by climbing the trees. Maybe she went on the roof towards bran and used the trees. It just doesnt make any sense that she some how got past hundreds if not thousands of wights and what? A dozen or more WW all standing a good distance in a circle and somehow they didnt see her? I dont care how stealthy she is and she somehow leaped like 12 feet

[broncos SB2010]

Also I've read that bran used to be able to get on top of the roofs by climbing the trees. Maybe she went on the roof towards bran and used the trees. It just doesnt make any sense that she some how got past hundreds if not thousands of wights and what? A dozen or more WW all standing a good distance in a circle and somehow they didnt see her? I dont care how stealthy she is and she somehow leaped like 12 feet

isn't she AMAZING!!!???

[JT24Champ]

SUUUUURRREEEEE

Then why did she have such a hard time in the library? why at the beginning she was unstoppable then all of a sudden she is frightened and cant fight?

If this was because of her faceless abilities, which she never finished in the show btw, why not wear a WW face and get in close? that would have been much cooler.

If this is the way it goes down in the books im tossing mine.

if you watch after the episode, the producers said she hit her head and it made her more human like (lost her faceless abilities). it took a while for her to gain her sense back.

[JT24Champ]

Found this on reddit. I like this. I always thought BRAN as 3ER was also lord of light after he yelled at his dad and his dad heard him in the flashback.

- https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthron...ght_theory_is/

Hear me out.

In an interview with Time Magazine last year, G.R.R.M. explicitly made sure to bring up Beric Dondarrion.

"he’s not a living human being anymore. His heart isn’t beating, his blood isn’t flowing in his veins, he’s a wight, but a wight animated by fire instead of by ice, now we’re getting back to the whole fire and ice thing"

So Beric is a "fire wight". And thats obviously foreshadowing something. The big question is, if the Night King animates the ice wights, who then animates the fire wights?

Here are the Facts:

Bran is a powerful warg. We know he gets visions of the past, present and future…and can manipulate the past to help save his future self. We don't yet know the extent of this power.

We knew the Night King can reanimate the dead into evil still-dead soldiers. But this episode we learned he can also manipulate snow and ice at will, sending a full blown blizzard. (This is key.)

Followers of the Lord of Light believe that their Lord is always at war with his evil opposite diety. Theres always a dichotomy. Light vs Dark. Good vs Bad. Fire vs Ice. Everything in this world has an antithesis.

The 3 eyed raven seems to be NK's eternal adversary. He intentionally killed the OG 3 eyed raven, and ever since he's been after Bran.

The lord of light supposedly has a "purpose" for everyone. Consequently, everyone supposedly brought back by the lord of light helped Arya defeat the Night King.

Bran gave Arya the dagger, and offered himself as bait. So like the Lord of Light, everything Bran has done recently also ultimately leads to Arya defeating the Night King.

What we can take from this…

If the Night King is Lord of Death, Night, and Ice…he should have an equal opposite. That opposite would of course be the Lord of Life, Light, and Fire (ie. The Lord of Light) .

The Night King is a physical entity, his opposite should be too. The Lord of Light likely has a physical presence (or a physical champion at the very least). So who is it? they don't ever explicitly show any other being with NK's level of power (or do they?)

If the Night King can reanimate the dead, his "light" opposite should have an equal level of power to bring life. And if NK's reanimated dead fight for evil, then his opposite's reanimated dead would fight for good/the living.

George R.R. Martin confirmed this logic, with his mentioning the existence of the "Fire Wight". Beric, Jon, (and maybe the Hound) are one of them. So the above theory that the Lord of Light is the NK's opposite holds water

If the NK can manifest snow and ice at will. Then his opposite should be able to manifest fire at will. And maybe...communicate with others through it.

Bran and the Lord of Light are working towards the same goal.

The 3 Eyed Raven is the NK's ultimate adversary….the force hes always at battle with.

The simplest explanation to all of this ...The 3 Eyed Raven is the Night King's opposite. The NK's opposite is the Lord of Light. Therefore, Bran = the Lord of Light (or at least what people think is the Lord of Light due to the signs he brings)

So how does this play out?

The Dagger Arch

First consider the dagger.

The entire storyline from Season 1 on revolves around the dagger. And the entire dagger story is intrinsically linked to Bran.

We also know the dagger is ancient, as it appears in Sam's book. Its been passed down from generation to generation, as all existing Valerian steel has been. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20170723084654

We don't actually know for sure who owned the dagger, or where the assassin got it. Littlefinger claims it was his but later denies it. Even if it was Littlefinger's, its never explained where he got it. This is important.

The Theory

It all but obvious at this point, Bran has been manipulating the plotline the entire time. He knew exactly how the battle was going to end. He knew exactly how to kill the Night King, because he set the trap himself. While warging during the battle, he was likely manipulating events to lead to the final conclusion.

Everything he has done has revolved around getting the dagger to Arya and getting her safely to the NK. That plan was set in motion all the way back in Season 1.

Future Bran made sure that dagger was sent to kill his childhood self. He put the key piece in play. He then warged into Summer to kill the assassin.

Farther back than that, the dagger may have belonged to Aerys Targarian (passed down through their family), and Bran messed with him to make sure it got where it needed to go. (Maybe Jaime or Littlefinger picked it up after the Mad King was slain).

Arya's training was also crucial/pre-planned. She would have never trained to kill without....1) Bran's assassination attempt being pinned on Tyrion (because of the dagger). And 2) King Robert's Death.

We already know how he could have manipulated the assassination. He could have also been warged into the wild boar that killed King Robert, if it were for the good of the realm.

Melesandre told Arya last episode what Syrio Forel told her before he was killed, "What do we say to the god of death? Not today". Homage to the fact that her training was all destined from the beginning.

All of the war and death that was sparked because of Bran. He knew it would happen, but he saw how the alternative story lines would play out, where the Night King wins. He sacrificed whoever he had to for the good of the realm. Much like lord Varys (who he spoke to through the flames after he was cut)

All of the "magical Lord of Light moments" that are supposedly the God's work, are actually Bran manipulating the past, resurrecting people and making sure Arya got the knife and made it to kill NK.

Beric getting brought back to life so many times….it wasn't the priest saying a prayer. Both he and Melesandre said he shouldn't have that power. In fact, it was Bran bringing him back to life so he could help Arya during the battle.

The hound surviving. Septon Ray told him he thought he was a corpse. He also told him that he pretty much died multiple times while he was recovering, but he kept coming back to life. After he comes back to life, he's fighting for good. Again, hound ended up a key figure in getting Arya to the NK.

Jon coming back. No evidence again to suggest Melesandre's prayer did it. She completely gave up, and he didn't come back to life until a while after.

The trench lighting on fire…again, it didn't seem to be Melesandre's words that did it. You could see she was getting frustrated/confused when it wasn't working at first. It was actually Bran summoning fire.

Lord Varys hearing the voice in the flames after he was cut....which is said to be what lead to him ending up in King's Landing and rising to power. After that scene with the priestess in the Pyramid, it cut to Bran’s face.

We know Bran is the most powerful living being other than the Night King. We know both he and the Lord of Light are working towards the same goal, and both manipulate the storyline.

It makes sense that Bran is the Lord of light, and all past 3 Eyed Ravens were also the Lord of Light. Or at the very least they’re representatives of him .

Where was Bran during the battle? Making **** happen. This would make the Night King's death wayyy less anticlimactic than it was.

Some interesting questions then come up if this all plays out. When the Whites die, their wights they turned die.

If Bran dies, does Jon automatically die too?

Now that the Night King is dead, whos the Lord of Light's new opposite to balance out the dichotomy? (Cersei? Danny? perhaps)

Further Evidence

Bran's powers are strongest by the Weirwood trees. Aka the "Heart Trees" The trees were worshiped by the First Men (and Children of the forest?) as gods. They're known as "Heart Trees". The lord of light is also known as the "Heart of Fire", with a symbolic heart.

The Children of the Forest brought back Benjen as a fire-wielding fire wight. They're obviously the key to the power of both the NK and the Lord of Light. They could have created the 3 eyed raven/LoL the same as they created the NK as a counter balance

Bran (or the OG 3 eyed raven) are likely who drove Aerys II Targaryen mad, whispering for him to "Burn them all". He's been fighting the future battle from the past for a long time.

In the episode followup commentary, they implied they randomly picked Arya to kill the NK at some point; and wove the episode to heighten the surprise. Its hard to believe that decision was really random

[captainbronco]

isn't she AMAZING!!!???

Yeah that plot armor is strong

[Joshua2585]

In the episode followup commentary, they implied they randomly picked Arya to kill the NK at some point; and wove the episode to heighten the surprise. Its hard to believe that decision was really random

There is NO chance that GRRM would have let them deviate THAT far from the intended story arc, so I agree with you here.